[WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions

Fri Aug 3 07:23:13 BRT 2007

Hi,

my comment would be that it is strange the EU HF enjoys so high position
compared to WPX and IARU, etc. Still participation is quite limited in EU HF
and as EU is divided into so many areas it is really simple to get very high
points compared to the competition and difficulty of 36 hours efforts in
WPX, etc... Shouldn't it be at least equal to WPX? Also, top scores are
usually quite similar in such short contest as EUHF, that means many people
will get very high points. Just for example if we look at 2006 results the
top ten in MIXED HP looks like:

RA1AIP        1597  1565   324  1533  2.00%  496692
UW2M          1475  1462   308  1451  0.88%  446908
RK3AWL        1467  1440   314  1413  1.84%  443682
UU7J          1503  1448   313  1393  3.66%  436009
UW5Q          1349  1325   318  1301  1.78%  413718
LY5R          1328  1307   313  1286  1.58%  402518
LY4AA         1366  1355   297  1344  0.81%  399168
LY6M          1340  1324   298  1308  1.19%  389784
LY9Y          1296  1270   302  1244  2.01%  375688
RW1ZA         1259  1249   289  1239  0.79%  358071

That means in EU3 (my area) all the LY stations get 793-850 points easily
which is way more than anybody can get in any other contest than CQWW and
RDXC. Even YL2GD who is 14th (!!) will get as many points as the winner of
WPX in EU3!! That does not make sense. Furthermore, participation from EU
areas 1 and 2 is much smaller in EU HF. Maximum points (850) in those areas
go to F5VIH and OL5Y for 20th and 22nd place overall!!

Really, the winning scores are too similar and participation too small to
grant so high points to EUHF.

Otherwise everything looks locigal and great job done by Harry and others!

One more thing to emphasize is really importance of checking cheating. Now
suddenly there is something else in addition to just winning contest to gain
- WRTC spot, and my guess is we will see average multiplier figures of SOAB
non-assisted stations going up in big contests. I really hope the WRTC
organizers having the experience and means will urge and help organizers of
CQWW, WPX and IARU to expose those guys...

gl es 73
tonno
es5tv

-----Original Message-----
From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Tkatch
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Igor Booklan SRR
Cc: wrtc2006 at wrtc2006.com
Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions

Harry,
Could you please change around points per contests
for: 

CQWW (CW&SSB)                      950
RDXC                               910
EU HF                              850
WPX (CW&SSB)                       780
IARU                               760
WAE (CW&SSB)                       750
ARRL (CW&SSB)                      720
SS (CW&SSB)                        600
NA Sprint (CW&SSB)                 520

I think giving some advantage to RDXC is fair in this
table, but NA Sprint may be eliminated without too
much pain to everyone(or state the reason why it's
even there) 

 Having NA Sprint and SS higher that it list here
doesn't make too much sense. Could you propose more
competitive test than NA Sprint to be there to begin
with?
 Judge selection different from the 'normal lottery'
looks a bit suspicious. I don't think we had an issue
there at PY WRTC or earlier, so can you please back
off from changing the rule on judges to 2006 or
similar?
Thanks, Alex KU1CW

--- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:

> Hi Scott
> 
> I exactly know what you are talking about.
> 
> I have my personal example with putting up a lot of
> efforts for the
> Cyprus M/S contest station. The reason of doing this
> is not just WRTC.
> We are having fun there winning (or not winning) DX
> contests, relaxing
> from Moscow megapolis rush etc, but it doesn't mean
> we should create
> rules for those like me. 
> 
> We, the DX QTH guys, have big scores due to a good
> DX locations but
> why should the others get out of this process ? So,
> the rules we have
> are supporting and respecting those from HOME AREA
> !!
> 
> As I was saying earlier we would love to see all of
> you guys among
> competitors. And at the same time I am 100 per cent
> sure that we would
> not be able to make everyone happy with the rules.
> 
> There are few mistekes we did like the one with
> Sprint, which we
> clarify shortly but please accept the rules as they
> are !!!
> 
> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
> 
> 
> SR> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
> 
> >> Hi Tom!
> >> 
> >> I understand your point but have a look from a
> different point of view
> >> .. from your countrymen point of view.
> >> 
> >> I also feel very comfortable operation from
> Cyprus "beating" my
> >> Russian friends and I don't have 2nd station. But
> when I looked from
> >> their point I was giving them no chance at all,
> so I changed my mind
> >> and I respect them very much.
> >> 
> >> Now I will have to find a solution to compete
> from Russia as well!
> >> 
> >> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
> 
> SR> you also wrote:
> >> 
> >> GT> I don't see any problems with someone winning
> 4 contests from REMOTE
> >> GT> AREA. You would still have to be good enough
> to win another 4 from
> >> GT> your HOME AREA.
> 
> SR> You're missing the point.  There is a tremendous
> amount of work that goes into
> SR> maintaining ONE contest station whether it's
> where you live or even more so in
> SR> a foreign country.  You have to be HIGHLY
> motivated to set up, maintain, travel
> SR> to, use a DX QTH station time and time again and
> dare I say there are few that
> SR> would put themselves through that who are
> sub-par contest ops.  And now they
> SR> have to have a competitive station at home, too,
> or manage to beg or borrow
> SR> someone else's QTH for DX contests?  And have to
> purposefully stay away from
> SR> their DX QTH if they want to attempt to qualify
> for WRTC-2010?  
> 
> SR> You're going to cut off guys like CT1BOH, W2GD,
> W2SC who are some of the best
> SR> and most motivated ops in the world merely
> because they don't have two
> SR> competitive contest stations to operate from in
> two different countries.  That
> SR> doesn't sound right to me. 
> 
> SR> 73
> SR> Scott Robbins, W4PA
> 
> 
> 
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