[WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions
Randy Thompson
k5zd em charter.net
Sexta Agosto 3 10:02:43 BRT 2007
EUHF is sponsored by Slovenia Contest Club.
Past leader of WRTC (and therefore very influential guy) is S50A.
I don't know if this is the reason, but anyone who runs a WRTC deserves to
be heard.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wrtc2006-bounces em wrtc2006.com
> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces em wrtc2006.com] On Behalf Of Tonno Vahk
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:23 AM
> To: 'WRTC2006 List'
> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera -
> Addl. Questions
>
> Hi,
>
> my comment would be that it is strange the EU HF enjoys so
> high position compared to WPX and IARU, etc. Still
> participation is quite limited in EU HF and as EU is divided
> into so many areas it is really simple to get very high
> points compared to the competition and difficulty of 36 hours
> efforts in WPX, etc... Shouldn't it be at least equal to WPX?
> Also, top scores are usually quite similar in such short
> contest as EUHF, that means many people will get very high
> points. Just for example if we look at 2006 results the top
> ten in MIXED HP looks like:
>
> RA1AIP 1597 1565 324 1533 2.00% 496692
> UW2M 1475 1462 308 1451 0.88% 446908
> RK3AWL 1467 1440 314 1413 1.84% 443682
> UU7J 1503 1448 313 1393 3.66% 436009
> UW5Q 1349 1325 318 1301 1.78% 413718
> LY5R 1328 1307 313 1286 1.58% 402518
> LY4AA 1366 1355 297 1344 0.81% 399168
> LY6M 1340 1324 298 1308 1.19% 389784
> LY9Y 1296 1270 302 1244 2.01% 375688
> RW1ZA 1259 1249 289 1239 0.79% 358071
>
> That means in EU3 (my area) all the LY stations get 793-850
> points easily which is way more than anybody can get in any
> other contest than CQWW and RDXC. Even YL2GD who is 14th (!!)
> will get as many points as the winner of WPX in EU3!! That
> does not make sense. Furthermore, participation from EU areas
> 1 and 2 is much smaller in EU HF. Maximum points (850) in
> those areas go to F5VIH and OL5Y for 20th and 22nd place overall!!
>
> Really, the winning scores are too similar and participation
> too small to grant so high points to EUHF.
>
> Otherwise everything looks locigal and great job done by
> Harry and others!
>
> One more thing to emphasize is really importance of checking
> cheating. Now suddenly there is something else in addition to
> just winning contest to gain
> - WRTC spot, and my guess is we will see average multiplier
> figures of SOAB non-assisted stations going up in big
> contests. I really hope the WRTC organizers having the
> experience and means will urge and help organizers of CQWW,
> WPX and IARU to expose those guys...
>
> gl es 73
> tonno
> es5tv
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wrtc2006-bounces em wrtc2006.com
> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces em wrtc2006.com]
> On Behalf Of Alex Tkatch
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: Igor Booklan SRR
> Cc: wrtc2006 em wrtc2006.com
> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera -
> Addl. Questions
>
> Harry,
> Could you please change around points per contests
> for:
>
> CQWW (CW&SSB) 950
> RDXC 910
> EU HF 850
> WPX (CW&SSB) 780
> IARU 760
> WAE (CW&SSB) 750
> ARRL (CW&SSB) 720
> SS (CW&SSB) 600
> NA Sprint (CW&SSB) 520
>
> I think giving some advantage to RDXC is fair in this table,
> but NA Sprint may be eliminated without too much pain to
> everyone(or state the reason why it's even there)
>
> Having NA Sprint and SS higher that it list here doesn't
> make too much sense. Could you propose more competitive test
> than NA Sprint to be there to begin with?
> Judge selection different from the 'normal lottery'
> looks a bit suspicious. I don't think we had an issue there
> at PY WRTC or earlier, so can you please back off from
> changing the rule on judges to 2006 or similar?
> Thanks, Alex KU1CW
>
> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu em srr.ru> wrote:
>
> > Hi Scott
> >
> > I exactly know what you are talking about.
> >
> > I have my personal example with putting up a lot of efforts for the
> > Cyprus M/S contest station. The reason of doing this is not
> just WRTC.
> > We are having fun there winning (or not winning) DX
> contests, relaxing
> > from Moscow megapolis rush etc, but it doesn't mean we
> should create
> > rules for those like me.
> >
> > We, the DX QTH guys, have big scores due to a good DX locations but
> > why should the others get out of this process ? So, the
> rules we have
> > are supporting and respecting those from HOME AREA !!
> >
> > As I was saying earlier we would love to see all of you guys among
> > competitors. And at the same time I am 100 per cent sure
> that we would
> > not be able to make everyone happy with the rules.
> >
> > There are few mistekes we did like the one with Sprint, which we
> > clarify shortly but please accept the rules as they are !!!
> >
> > 73s, Harry RA3AUU
> >
> >
> > SR> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu em srr.ru> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hi Tom!
> > >>
> > >> I understand your point but have a look from a
> > different point of view
> > >> .. from your countrymen point of view.
> > >>
> > >> I also feel very comfortable operation from
> > Cyprus "beating" my
> > >> Russian friends and I don't have 2nd station. But
> > when I looked from
> > >> their point I was giving them no chance at all,
> > so I changed my mind
> > >> and I respect them very much.
> > >>
> > >> Now I will have to find a solution to compete
> > from Russia as well!
> > >>
> > >> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
> >
> > SR> you also wrote:
> > >>
> > >> GT> I don't see any problems with someone winning
> > 4 contests from REMOTE
> > >> GT> AREA. You would still have to be good enough
> > to win another 4 from
> > >> GT> your HOME AREA.
> >
> > SR> You're missing the point. There is a tremendous
> > amount of work that goes into
> > SR> maintaining ONE contest station whether it's
> > where you live or even more so in
> > SR> a foreign country. You have to be HIGHLY
> > motivated to set up, maintain, travel
> > SR> to, use a DX QTH station time and time again and
> > dare I say there are few that
> > SR> would put themselves through that who are
> > sub-par contest ops. And now they
> > SR> have to have a competitive station at home, too,
> > or manage to beg or borrow
> > SR> someone else's QTH for DX contests? And have to
> > purposefully stay away from
> > SR> their DX QTH if they want to attempt to qualify
> > for WRTC-2010?
> >
> > SR> You're going to cut off guys like CT1BOH, W2GD,
> > W2SC who are some of the best
> > SR> and most motivated ops in the world merely
> > because they don't have two
> > SR> competitive contest stations to operate from in
> > two different countries. That
> > SR> doesn't sound right to me.
> >
> > SR> 73
> > SR> Scott Robbins, W4PA
> >
> >
> >
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