[WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions

Jim Neiger n6tj at sbcglobal.net
Fri Aug 3 18:38:26 BRT 2007 

Tonno: Can one assume that the Europeans, in general, and UA's, 
specifically, are tired of losing WRTC to those upstart North Americans??

73

Jim Neiger   N6TJ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tonno Vahk" <tonno.vahk at mail.ee>
To: "'WRTC2006 List'" <wrtc2006 at wrtc2006.com>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions


> Hi,
>
> my comment would be that it is strange the EU HF enjoys so high position
> compared to WPX and IARU, etc. Still participation is quite limited in EU 
> HF
> and as EU is divided into so many areas it is really simple to get very 
> high
> points compared to the competition and difficulty of 36 hours efforts in
> WPX, etc... Shouldn't it be at least equal to WPX? Also, top scores are
> usually quite similar in such short contest as EUHF, that means many 
> people
> will get very high points. Just for example if we look at 2006 results the
> top ten in MIXED HP looks like:
>
> RA1AIP        1597  1565   324  1533  2.00%  496692
> UW2M          1475  1462   308  1451  0.88%  446908
> RK3AWL        1467  1440   314  1413  1.84%  443682
> UU7J          1503  1448   313  1393  3.66%  436009
> UW5Q          1349  1325   318  1301  1.78%  413718
> LY5R          1328  1307   313  1286  1.58%  402518
> LY4AA         1366  1355   297  1344  0.81%  399168
> LY6M          1340  1324   298  1308  1.19%  389784
> LY9Y          1296  1270   302  1244  2.01%  375688
> RW1ZA         1259  1249   289  1239  0.79%  358071
>
> That means in EU3 (my area) all the LY stations get 793-850 points easily
> which is way more than anybody can get in any other contest than CQWW and
> RDXC. Even YL2GD who is 14th (!!) will get as many points as the winner of
> WPX in EU3!! That does not make sense. Furthermore, participation from EU
> areas 1 and 2 is much smaller in EU HF. Maximum points (850) in those 
> areas
> go to F5VIH and OL5Y for 20th and 22nd place overall!!
>
> Really, the winning scores are too similar and participation too small to
> grant so high points to EUHF.
>
> Otherwise everything looks locigal and great job done by Harry and others!
>
> One more thing to emphasize is really importance of checking cheating. Now
> suddenly there is something else in addition to just winning contest to 
> gain
> - WRTC spot, and my guess is we will see average multiplier figures of 
> SOAB
> non-assisted stations going up in big contests. I really hope the WRTC
> organizers having the experience and means will urge and help organizers 
> of
> CQWW, WPX and IARU to expose those guys...
>
> gl es 73
> tonno
> es5tv
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com]
> On Behalf Of Alex Tkatch
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: Igor Booklan SRR
> Cc: wrtc2006 at wrtc2006.com
> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions
>
> Harry,
> Could you please change around points per contests
> for:
>
> CQWW (CW&SSB)                      950
> RDXC                               910
> EU HF                              850
> WPX (CW&SSB)                       780
> IARU                               760
> WAE (CW&SSB)                       750
> ARRL (CW&SSB)                      720
> SS (CW&SSB)                        600
> NA Sprint (CW&SSB)                 520
>
> I think giving some advantage to RDXC is fair in this
> table, but NA Sprint may be eliminated without too
> much pain to everyone(or state the reason why it's
> even there)
>
> Having NA Sprint and SS higher that it list here
> doesn't make too much sense. Could you propose more
> competitive test than NA Sprint to be there to begin
> with?
> Judge selection different from the 'normal lottery'
> looks a bit suspicious. I don't think we had an issue
> there at PY WRTC or earlier, so can you please back
> off from changing the rule on judges to 2006 or
> similar?
> Thanks, Alex KU1CW
>
> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott
>>
>> I exactly know what you are talking about.
>>
>> I have my personal example with putting up a lot of
>> efforts for the
>> Cyprus M/S contest station. The reason of doing this
>> is not just WRTC.
>> We are having fun there winning (or not winning) DX
>> contests, relaxing
>> from Moscow megapolis rush etc, but it doesn't mean
>> we should create
>> rules for those like me.
>>
>> We, the DX QTH guys, have big scores due to a good
>> DX locations but
>> why should the others get out of this process ? So,
>> the rules we have
>> are supporting and respecting those from HOME AREA
>> !!
>>
>> As I was saying earlier we would love to see all of
>> you guys among
>> competitors. And at the same time I am 100 per cent
>> sure that we would
>> not be able to make everyone happy with the rules.
>>
>> There are few mistekes we did like the one with
>> Sprint, which we
>> clarify shortly but please accept the rules as they
>> are !!!
>>
>> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
>>
>>
>> SR> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
>>
>> >> Hi Tom!
>> >>
>> >> I understand your point but have a look from a
>> different point of view
>> >> .. from your countrymen point of view.
>> >>
>> >> I also feel very comfortable operation from
>> Cyprus "beating" my
>> >> Russian friends and I don't have 2nd station. But
>> when I looked from
>> >> their point I was giving them no chance at all,
>> so I changed my mind
>> >> and I respect them very much.
>> >>
>> >> Now I will have to find a solution to compete
>> from Russia as well!
>> >>
>> >> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
>>
>> SR> you also wrote:
>> >>
>> >> GT> I don't see any problems with someone winning
>> 4 contests from REMOTE
>> >> GT> AREA. You would still have to be good enough
>> to win another 4 from
>> >> GT> your HOME AREA.
>>
>> SR> You're missing the point.  There is a tremendous
>> amount of work that goes into
>> SR> maintaining ONE contest station whether it's
>> where you live or even more so in
>> SR> a foreign country.  You have to be HIGHLY
>> motivated to set up, maintain, travel
>> SR> to, use a DX QTH station time and time again and
>> dare I say there are few that
>> SR> would put themselves through that who are
>> sub-par contest ops.  And now they
>> SR> have to have a competitive station at home, too,
>> or manage to beg or borrow
>> SR> someone else's QTH for DX contests?  And have to
>> purposefully stay away from
>> SR> their DX QTH if they want to attempt to qualify
>> for WRTC-2010?
>>
>> SR> You're going to cut off guys like CT1BOH, W2GD,
>> W2SC who are some of the best
>> SR> and most motivated ops in the world merely
>> because they don't have two
>> SR> competitive contest stations to operate from in
>> two different countries.  That
>> SR> doesn't sound right to me.
>>
>> SR> 73
>> SR> Scott Robbins, W4PA
>>
>>
>>
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