[WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions
Igor Booklan SRR
ra3auu at srr.ru
Sun Aug 5 16:41:25 BRT 2007
Hi Randy!
We do respect SCC and Tine personally very much but neither SCC, nor
S50A had any influence for adding EUHFC into the list. EUHFC is very
dinamic contest with quite big activity and great UBN analises.
73s, Harry RA3AUU
RT> EUHF is sponsored by Slovenia Contest Club.
RT> Past leader of WRTC (and therefore very influential guy) is S50A.
RT> I don't know if this is the reason, but anyone who runs a WRTC deserves to
RT> be heard.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com
>> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com] On Behalf Of Tonno Vahk
>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:23 AM
>> To: 'WRTC2006 List'
>> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera -
>> Addl. Questions
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> my comment would be that it is strange the EU HF enjoys so
>> high position compared to WPX and IARU, etc. Still
>> participation is quite limited in EU HF and as EU is divided
>> into so many areas it is really simple to get very high
>> points compared to the competition and difficulty of 36 hours
>> efforts in WPX, etc... Shouldn't it be at least equal to WPX?
>> Also, top scores are usually quite similar in such short
>> contest as EUHF, that means many people will get very high
>> points. Just for example if we look at 2006 results the top
>> ten in MIXED HP looks like:
>>
>> RA1AIP 1597 1565 324 1533 2.00% 496692
>> UW2M 1475 1462 308 1451 0.88% 446908
>> RK3AWL 1467 1440 314 1413 1.84% 443682
>> UU7J 1503 1448 313 1393 3.66% 436009
>> UW5Q 1349 1325 318 1301 1.78% 413718
>> LY5R 1328 1307 313 1286 1.58% 402518
>> LY4AA 1366 1355 297 1344 0.81% 399168
>> LY6M 1340 1324 298 1308 1.19% 389784
>> LY9Y 1296 1270 302 1244 2.01% 375688
>> RW1ZA 1259 1249 289 1239 0.79% 358071
>>
>> That means in EU3 (my area) all the LY stations get 793-850
>> points easily which is way more than anybody can get in any
>> other contest than CQWW and RDXC. Even YL2GD who is 14th (!!)
>> will get as many points as the winner of WPX in EU3!! That
>> does not make sense. Furthermore, participation from EU areas
>> 1 and 2 is much smaller in EU HF. Maximum points (850) in
>> those areas go to F5VIH and OL5Y for 20th and 22nd place overall!!
>>
>> Really, the winning scores are too similar and participation
>> too small to grant so high points to EUHF.
>>
>> Otherwise everything looks locigal and great job done by
>> Harry and others!
>>
>> One more thing to emphasize is really importance of checking
>> cheating. Now suddenly there is something else in addition to
>> just winning contest to gain
>> - WRTC spot, and my guess is we will see average multiplier
>> figures of SOAB non-assisted stations going up in big
>> contests. I really hope the WRTC organizers having the
>> experience and means will urge and help organizers of CQWW,
>> WPX and IARU to expose those guys...
>>
>> gl es 73
>> tonno
>> es5tv
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com
>> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com]
>> On Behalf Of Alex Tkatch
>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:45 AM
>> To: Igor Booklan SRR
>> Cc: wrtc2006 at wrtc2006.com
>> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera -
>> Addl. Questions
>>
>> Harry,
>> Could you please change around points per contests
>> for:
>>
>> CQWW (CW&SSB) 950
>> RDXC 910
>> EU HF 850
>> WPX (CW&SSB) 780
>> IARU 760
>> WAE (CW&SSB) 750
>> ARRL (CW&SSB) 720
>> SS (CW&SSB) 600
>> NA Sprint (CW&SSB) 520
>>
>> I think giving some advantage to RDXC is fair in this table,
>> but NA Sprint may be eliminated without too much pain to
>> everyone(or state the reason why it's even there)
>>
>> Having NA Sprint and SS higher that it list here doesn't
>> make too much sense. Could you propose more competitive test
>> than NA Sprint to be there to begin with?
>> Judge selection different from the 'normal lottery'
>> looks a bit suspicious. I don't think we had an issue there
>> at PY WRTC or earlier, so can you please back off from
>> changing the rule on judges to 2006 or similar?
>> Thanks, Alex KU1CW
>>
>> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Scott
>> >
>> > I exactly know what you are talking about.
>> >
>> > I have my personal example with putting up a lot of efforts for the
>> > Cyprus M/S contest station. The reason of doing this is not
>> just WRTC.
>> > We are having fun there winning (or not winning) DX
>> contests, relaxing
>> > from Moscow megapolis rush etc, but it doesn't mean we
>> should create
>> > rules for those like me.
>> >
>> > We, the DX QTH guys, have big scores due to a good DX locations but
>> > why should the others get out of this process ? So, the
>> rules we have
>> > are supporting and respecting those from HOME AREA !!
>> >
>> > As I was saying earlier we would love to see all of you guys among
>> > competitors. And at the same time I am 100 per cent sure
>> that we would
>> > not be able to make everyone happy with the rules.
>> >
>> > There are few mistekes we did like the one with Sprint, which we
>> > clarify shortly but please accept the rules as they are !!!
>> >
>> > 73s, Harry RA3AUU
>> >
>> >
>> > SR> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Hi Tom!
>> > >>
>> > >> I understand your point but have a look from a
>> > different point of view
>> > >> .. from your countrymen point of view.
>> > >>
>> > >> I also feel very comfortable operation from
>> > Cyprus "beating" my
>> > >> Russian friends and I don't have 2nd station. But
>> > when I looked from
>> > >> their point I was giving them no chance at all,
>> > so I changed my mind
>> > >> and I respect them very much.
>> > >>
>> > >> Now I will have to find a solution to compete
>> > from Russia as well!
>> > >>
>> > >> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
>> >
>> > SR> you also wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> GT> I don't see any problems with someone winning
>> > 4 contests from REMOTE
>> > >> GT> AREA. You would still have to be good enough
>> > to win another 4 from
>> > >> GT> your HOME AREA.
>> >
>> > SR> You're missing the point. There is a tremendous
>> > amount of work that goes into
>> > SR> maintaining ONE contest station whether it's
>> > where you live or even more so in
>> > SR> a foreign country. You have to be HIGHLY
>> > motivated to set up, maintain, travel
>> > SR> to, use a DX QTH station time and time again and
>> > dare I say there are few that
>> > SR> would put themselves through that who are
>> > sub-par contest ops. And now they
>> > SR> have to have a competitive station at home, too,
>> > or manage to beg or borrow
>> > SR> someone else's QTH for DX contests? And have to
>> > purposefully stay away from
>> > SR> their DX QTH if they want to attempt to qualify
>> > for WRTC-2010?
>> >
>> > SR> You're going to cut off guys like CT1BOH, W2GD,
>> > W2SC who are some of the best
>> > SR> and most motivated ops in the world merely
>> > because they don't have two
>> > SR> competitive contest stations to operate from in
>> > two different countries. That
>> > SR> doesn't sound right to me.
>> >
>> > SR> 73
>> > SR> Scott Robbins, W4PA
>
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