[WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl. Questions
Randy Thompson
k5zd at charter.net
Mon Aug 6 22:53:14 BRT 2007
If that is the criteria (and it is a good one), maybe the IARU Contest
should be removed from the list!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com
> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com] On Behalf Of Igor Booklan SRR
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:41 PM
> To: WRTC2006 List
> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera -
> Addl. Questions
>
> Hi Randy!
>
> We do respect SCC and Tine personally very much but neither
> SCC, nor S50A had any influence for adding EUHFC into the
> list. EUHFC is very dinamic contest with quite big activity
> and great UBN analises.
>
> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
>
>
> RT> EUHF is sponsored by Slovenia Contest Club.
>
> RT> Past leader of WRTC (and therefore very influential guy) is S50A.
>
> RT> I don't know if this is the reason, but anyone who runs a WRTC
> RT> deserves to be heard.
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com
> >> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com] On Behalf Of Tonno Vahk
> >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:23 AM
> >> To: 'WRTC2006 List'
> >> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl.
> >> Questions
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> my comment would be that it is strange the EU HF enjoys so high
> >> position compared to WPX and IARU, etc. Still
> participation is quite
> >> limited in EU HF and as EU is divided into so many areas
> it is really
> >> simple to get very high points compared to the competition and
> >> difficulty of 36 hours efforts in WPX, etc... Shouldn't it be at
> >> least equal to WPX?
> >> Also, top scores are usually quite similar in such short
> contest as
> >> EUHF, that means many people will get very high points. Just for
> >> example if we look at 2006 results the top ten in MIXED HP looks
> >> like:
> >>
> >> RA1AIP 1597 1565 324 1533 2.00% 496692
> >> UW2M 1475 1462 308 1451 0.88% 446908
> >> RK3AWL 1467 1440 314 1413 1.84% 443682
> >> UU7J 1503 1448 313 1393 3.66% 436009
> >> UW5Q 1349 1325 318 1301 1.78% 413718
> >> LY5R 1328 1307 313 1286 1.58% 402518
> >> LY4AA 1366 1355 297 1344 0.81% 399168
> >> LY6M 1340 1324 298 1308 1.19% 389784
> >> LY9Y 1296 1270 302 1244 2.01% 375688
> >> RW1ZA 1259 1249 289 1239 0.79% 358071
> >>
> >> That means in EU3 (my area) all the LY stations get 793-850 points
> >> easily which is way more than anybody can get in any other contest
> >> than CQWW and RDXC. Even YL2GD who is 14th (!!) will get as many
> >> points as the winner of WPX in EU3!! That does not make sense.
> >> Furthermore, participation from EU areas
> >> 1 and 2 is much smaller in EU HF. Maximum points (850) in
> those areas
> >> go to F5VIH and OL5Y for 20th and 22nd place overall!!
> >>
> >> Really, the winning scores are too similar and participation too
> >> small to grant so high points to EUHF.
> >>
> >> Otherwise everything looks locigal and great job done by Harry and
> >> others!
> >>
> >> One more thing to emphasize is really importance of checking
> >> cheating. Now suddenly there is something else in addition to just
> >> winning contest to gain
> >> - WRTC spot, and my guess is we will see average
> multiplier figures
> >> of SOAB non-assisted stations going up in big contests. I
> really hope
> >> the WRTC organizers having the experience and means will urge and
> >> help organizers of CQWW, WPX and IARU to expose those guys...
> >>
> >> gl es 73
> >> tonno
> >> es5tv
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com
> >> [mailto:wrtc2006-bounces at wrtc2006.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Alex Tkatch
> >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:45 AM
> >> To: Igor Booklan SRR
> >> Cc: wrtc2006 at wrtc2006.com
> >> Subject: Re: [WRTC2006] WRTC2010 TL Selection Critiera - Addl.
> >> Questions
> >>
> >> Harry,
> >> Could you please change around points per contests
> >> for:
> >>
> >> CQWW (CW&SSB) 950
> >> RDXC 910
> >> EU HF 850
> >> WPX (CW&SSB) 780
> >> IARU 760
> >> WAE (CW&SSB) 750
> >> ARRL (CW&SSB) 720
> >> SS (CW&SSB) 600
> >> NA Sprint (CW&SSB) 520
> >>
> >> I think giving some advantage to RDXC is fair in this
> table, but NA
> >> Sprint may be eliminated without too much pain to
> everyone(or state
> >> the reason why it's even there)
> >>
> >> Having NA Sprint and SS higher that it list here doesn't make too
> >> much sense. Could you propose more competitive test than
> NA Sprint to
> >> be there to begin with?
> >> Judge selection different from the 'normal lottery'
> >> looks a bit suspicious. I don't think we had an issue there at PY
> >> WRTC or earlier, so can you please back off from changing
> the rule on
> >> judges to 2006 or similar?
> >> Thanks, Alex KU1CW
> >>
> >> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Scott
> >> >
> >> > I exactly know what you are talking about.
> >> >
> >> > I have my personal example with putting up a lot of
> efforts for the
> >> > Cyprus M/S contest station. The reason of doing this is not
> >> just WRTC.
> >> > We are having fun there winning (or not winning) DX
> >> contests, relaxing
> >> > from Moscow megapolis rush etc, but it doesn't mean we
> >> should create
> >> > rules for those like me.
> >> >
> >> > We, the DX QTH guys, have big scores due to a good DX
> locations but
> >> > why should the others get out of this process ? So, the
> >> rules we have
> >> > are supporting and respecting those from HOME AREA !!
> >> >
> >> > As I was saying earlier we would love to see all of you
> guys among
> >> > competitors. And at the same time I am 100 per cent sure
> >> that we would
> >> > not be able to make everyone happy with the rules.
> >> >
> >> > There are few mistekes we did like the one with Sprint, which we
> >> > clarify shortly but please accept the rules as they are !!!
> >> >
> >> > 73s, Harry RA3AUU
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > SR> --- Igor Booklan SRR <ra3auu at srr.ru> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> Hi Tom!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I understand your point but have a look from a
> >> > different point of view
> >> > >> .. from your countrymen point of view.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I also feel very comfortable operation from
> >> > Cyprus "beating" my
> >> > >> Russian friends and I don't have 2nd station. But
> >> > when I looked from
> >> > >> their point I was giving them no chance at all,
> >> > so I changed my mind
> >> > >> and I respect them very much.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Now I will have to find a solution to compete
> >> > from Russia as well!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 73s, Harry RA3AUU
> >> >
> >> > SR> you also wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> GT> I don't see any problems with someone winning
> >> > 4 contests from REMOTE
> >> > >> GT> AREA. You would still have to be good enough
> >> > to win another 4 from
> >> > >> GT> your HOME AREA.
> >> >
> >> > SR> You're missing the point. There is a tremendous
> >> > amount of work that goes into
> >> > SR> maintaining ONE contest station whether it's
> >> > where you live or even more so in
> >> > SR> a foreign country. You have to be HIGHLY
> >> > motivated to set up, maintain, travel
> >> > SR> to, use a DX QTH station time and time again and
> >> > dare I say there are few that
> >> > SR> would put themselves through that who are
> >> > sub-par contest ops. And now they
> >> > SR> have to have a competitive station at home, too,
> >> > or manage to beg or borrow
> >> > SR> someone else's QTH for DX contests? And have to
> >> > purposefully stay away from
> >> > SR> their DX QTH if they want to attempt to qualify
> >> > for WRTC-2010?
> >> >
> >> > SR> You're going to cut off guys like CT1BOH, W2GD,
> >> > W2SC who are some of the best
> >> > SR> and most motivated ops in the world merely
> >> > because they don't have two
> >> > SR> competitive contest stations to operate from in
> >> > two different countries. That
> >> > SR> doesn't sound right to me.
> >> >
> >> > SR> 73
> >> > SR> Scott Robbins, W4PA
> >
>
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